2017-011-Software Defined Perimeter with Jason Garbis

We talked with Jason Garbis this week about Software Defined Perimeter (SDP). Ever thought about going completely without needing a VPN? Do you think I just made a crazy suggestion and am off my medications? Google has been doing it for years, and organizations like the Cloud Security Alliance are expecting this to be the next big tech innovation. So much so, that they are already drafting version 2 of the SDP guidelines.

So after talking with a friend of mine about how they were trying to implement it, he suggested talking to Jason, since he was on the steering committee for it. While Jason does work for a company that sells this solution, our discussion with him is very vendor agnostic, and he even discusses an open source version of SDP that you could implement or test out as a PoC (details in show notes below).

This is a great topic to stay on top of, as one day, your CTO/CIO or manager will come by and ask about the feasibility of implementing this, especially if your company assets are cloud based...  So have a listen!

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Show Notes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Defined_Perimeter

https://cloudsecurityalliance.org/group/software-defined-perimeter/

    Hmmm… seems like a standard created by companies selling their products for it

        Have a product, create a problem, fix the problem...

 

How much alike is this to things like ‘Beyondcorp’?

    https://www.beyondcorp.com/

    http://www.networkworld.com/article/3053561/security/learning-about-sdp-via-google-beyondcorp.html

 

De-perimeterization - removing all the bits ‘protecting’ your computer

    Treat your computers as ‘on the Internet’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-perimeterisation

https://collaboration.opengroup.org/jericho/SPC_swhitlock.pdf

 

https://github.com/WaverleyLabs/SDPcontroller

 

2FA becomes much more important, or just plain needed, IMO --brbr

 

Questions:

    How will development of applications change when attempting to implement these technologies?

   

    If we allow deperimeterization of legacy apps (like Oracle products), with a complicated security model, how do you keep these older apps under control?

 

    Can this cut down on the “Shadow IT” issue? Does the user control the certs?

    How does this work with devices with no fully realized operating systems?

        Phones, HVAC, IoT

        Legacy SCADA or mainframes?

 

    What is the maturity level of a company to implement this?

        What minimum requirements are needed?

            Asset management?

            Policies?

        Who/how do you monitor this?

            More blinky boxes?

            Will WAFs and Web proxies still function as expected?

    Are there any companies companies were this is not a good fit?

        What’s the typical timeline for moving to this network model?

        What’s the best way to deploy this?

            Blow up old network, insert new network?

            Phase it in with new kit, replacing old kit?

    Compliance

        How do explain this to auditors?

            “We don’t have firewalls, that’s for companies that suck, we are 1337”

Other than “scalability” (which seems like regular solutions would have as well) I’d like to know what real value they provide

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2017-010-Authors Amanda Berlin and Lee Brotherston of the "Defensive Security Handbook"

Our very own Ms. Berlin and Mr. Lee Brotherston (@synackpse), veteran of the show, co-authored an #O'Reilly book called the "Defensive Security Handbook"

We talk with Amanda and Lee (or Lee and Amanda :D ) about why they wrote the book, how people should use the book, and how you can maximize your company's resources to protect you.

The best thing is that you can pick up the ebook right now! It's available for pre-order on Safari books (Link), or pre-order on Amazon.com (Link)

Hope you enjoy!

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 Previous Lee Brotherston episodes:

Threat Modeling w/ Lee Brotherston

Is your ISP MiTM-ing you

 Lee fills in for Mr. Boettcher, along with Jarrod Frates

TLS fingerprinting application

 

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2017-009-Dave Kennedy talks abotu CIAs 'Vault7', ISC2, and Derbycon updates!

Wikileaks published a cache of documents and information from what appears to be a wiki from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

This week, we discuss the details of the leak (as of 11Mar 2017), and how damaging it is to blue teamers.

To help us, we asked Mr. Dave Kennedy  (@hackingDave) to sit down with us and discuss what he found, and his opinions of the data that was leaked. Mr. Kennedy is always a great interview, and his insights are now regularly seen on Fox Business News, CNN, and MSNBC.

Dave isn't one to rest on his laurels. For many of you, you know him as the co-organizer of #derbycon, as well as a board member of #ISC2.  We ask him about initiatives going on with ISC2, and how you (whether or not you're a ISC2 cert holder). You can help with various committees and helping to improve the certification landscape. We talk about how to get involved.

We finish up asking about the latest updates to DerbyCon, as well as the dates of tickets, and we talk about our CTF for a free ticket to DerbyCon.

 

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--show notes--

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-10758578

WL: “CIA ‘hoarded’ vulnerabilities or ‘cyber-weapons’

    Should they not have tools that allow them to infiltrate systems of ‘bad’ people?

    Promises to share information with manufacturers

        BrBr- Manufacturers and devs are the reason the CIA has ‘cyber-weapons’

            Shit code, poor software design/architecture

            Security wonks aren’t without blame here either

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39218393  -RAND report

        Report suggested stockpiling is ‘good’

            “On the other hand, publicly disclosing a vulnerability that isn't known by one's adversaries gives them the upper hand, because the adversary could then protect against any attack using that vulnerability, while still keeping an inventory of vulnerabilities of which only it is aware of in reserve.”

 

Encryption does still work, in many cases… as it appears they are having to intercept the data before it makes it into secure messaging systems…  

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/cia-wikileaks-dump-tells-us-encryption-works-46045668

 

(somewhat relevant? Not sure if you want to touch on https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/837846963471122432/photo/1)

Wikileaks - more harm than good?

    Guess that depends on what side you’re on

    What side is Assange on? (his own side?)

    Media creates FUD because they don’t understand

        Secure messaging apps busted (fud inferred by WL)

            In fact, data is circumvented before encryption is applied.

Some of the docs make you wonder about the need for ‘over-classification’

Vulnerabilities uncovered

 

Samsung Smart TVs “Fake-Off”

Tools to exfil data off of iDevices

    BrBr- Cellbrite has sold that for years to the FBI

        CIA appears to only have up to iOS 9 (according to docs released)

Car hacking tech

Sandbox detection (notices mouse clicks or the lack of them)

    Reported by eEye: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_2621847.html

Technique: Process Hollowing: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_3375167.html

    Not new: https://attack.mitre.org/wiki/Technique/T1093

**anything Mr. Kennedy feels is important to mention**

What can blue teamers do to protect themselves?

    Take an accounting of ‘smart devices’ in your workplace

        Educate users on not bringing smart devices to work

            And at home (if they are remote)

                Alexa,

        Restrict smart devices in sensitive areas

            SCIFs, conference rooms, even in ‘open workplace’ areas

           

    Segment possibly affected systems from the internet

    Keep proper inventories of software used in your environment

    Modify IR exercises to allow for this type of scenario?

    Reduce ‘smart’ devices

        Grab that drill and modify the TV in the conference room

        Cover the cameras on TV

            Is that too paranoid?

        Don’t setup networking on smart devices or use cloud services on ‘smart’ devices

    Remind devs that unpatched or crap code can become the next ‘cyber-weapon’ ;)

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2017-008-AWS S3 outage, how it should color your IR scenarios, and killing the 'whiteboard' interview

If you were under a rock, you didn't hear about the outage that #Amazon #Web Services (#AWS) suffered at the hands of sophisticated, nation-state... wah?

 "an authorized #S3 team #member using an established #playbook executed a command which was intended to remove a small number of servers for one of the S3 subsystems that is used by the S3 billing process. Unfortunately, one of the inputs to the command was entered incorrectly and a larger set of servers was removed than intended."

Well... okay, so for companies that do regular IR response tests and have a good majority of their assets and production in cloud based services, is it time to discuss having the 'extreme' scenario of 'What do we do when [AWS|Azure|Google Compute] goes down?'

We also discuss an article about #developers who want to get rid of the #whiteboard #interview... is it as #discriminatory as they suggest, or is it just devs who aren't confident or lacking #skills trying to get hired? (see show notes below for links)

Finally, we talk about Ms. #Berlin's talk she will be giving at #AIDE on 6-7 April. It's gonna be a "hands-on" talk.  What do we mean? Listen to our show and find out.

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---show notes---

 

AWS S3 outage (hopefully more information by the end of the week)

    Massive outages - many sites down

        IoT devices borked        https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/28/amazon-aws-s3-outage-is-breaking-things-for-a-lot-of-websites-and-apps/

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/happens-one-site-hosts-entire-internet/

 

TL;DR of the S3 outage - "an authorized S3 team member using an established playbook executed a command which was intended to remove a small number of servers for one of the S3 subsystems that is used by the S3 billing process. Unfortunately, one of the inputs to the command was entered incorrectly and a larger set of servers was removed than intended."

 

Brian: Water sprinkler story…

 

Do we put too much stock in Amazon?

        Email Story time: Recent IR exercise

            Mostly AWS shop

            “If we suspend reality” drinking game

            World War Z “the 10th man”

 

Not the 1st time AWS was involved in an outage:

    http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/content-tracks/security-risk/major-ddos-attack-on-dyn-disrupts-aws-twitter-spotify-and-more/97176.fullarticle

 

Realistic IR exercises need to examine the ‘ultimate’ bad…

    Even if you’re in ‘suspend reality’ mode

 

https://theoutline.com/post/1166/programmers-are-confessing-their-coding-sins-to-protest-a-broken-job-interview-process

http://blog.interviewing.io/you-cant-fix-diversity-in-tech-without-fixing-the-technical-interview/

 

No problem with copy/paste, hunting up functions, etc

    Problem comes when failure to understand the code you’re using, and the integration of that code therein

 

Programming Interviews Exposed

 

LOVED this idea….

https://letsjusthackshit.org/platypuscon2016.html

“In the spirit of what brought this community together, we’re aiming to build a super hands-on event: that is, instead of a series of talks while you plan on missing to catch up with your friends at the cafe down the road, we’re putting together a full day of hands-on workshops where you can get your hands dirty and we can all help each other learn something new.”

 

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