Thursday, November 30, 2017

2017-040-Expensify_privacy_issues-Something_is_rotten_at_Apple


With Mr. Boettcher out this week due to family illness, Ms. Berlin and I discussed a little bit of what is going on in the world.

Expensify unveiled a new 'feature' where random people would help train their AI to better analyze receipts. Problem is that the random people could see medical receipts, hotel bills, and other PII. We discuss how they allowed this and the press surrounding it. We also discuss why these kinds of issues are prime reasons to do periodic vendor reviews.

Our second story was on Apple's "passwordless root" account. We talk about the steps to mitigate it, why it was allowed to happen, and why the most straight forward methods of dealing with something like this may not always be the best way.

 

 

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---Show Notes---

Agenda:

Trip report from Amanda to New Zealand

Did we talk about Amanda’s appearance on PSW?

 

Discuss last week’s show about custom training

Comments? Suggestions for custom training solutions?

 

https://www.sans.org/mentor/class/sec504-seattle-01mar2018-bryan-brake

Expensify -

https://www.wired.com/story/not-always-ai-that-sifts-through-sensitive-info-crowdsourced-labor/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16703962/expensify-receipts-amazon-turk-privacy-controversy

 

How is this different than like a medical transcriptionist?

Don’t you go in and modify the receipts yourself? Or is that a feature you can force?

 

It’s a privacy issue.

Hotel receipts, boarding passes, even medical receipts

 

Turn off ‘smart scan’?

Many companies like using it, and some will only accept smart scanned receipts

Fat fingering receipts isn’t ‘cool’

Snap a photo, move along

 

Expensify is global, and could have wide reaching effects for this new ‘feature’...

Expensify used Mechanical Turk, a ‘human intelligence tasks’

Micropayments to do menial tasks

 

Example of why periodic review of your 3rd parties is necessary

New ‘features’ = new nightmares

Privacy requirements change

Functionality not in alignment with your business goals

Apple ‘passwordless root’

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/11/29/apple-issues-macos-high-sierra-update-to-fix-password-less-root-vulnerability

 

HIgh Sierra before today (29 November 2017) had the ability to login as root with no password…

That is a problem… Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/lemiorhan/status/935578694541770752

 

It also works on remote services, like ARD (apple remote desktop), and file shares…

Rolling IR

Was it necessary?

Serious, yes

Was discovered two weeks prior https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/79235

Dev (chethan177) on the forum “didn’t realize it was a security issue”

 

Easy enough fix  (Bryan IR story)

Open Terminal

Sudo passwd root

Change password

 

Do you trust users to do that? Not across a large enterprise

 


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Thursday, November 23, 2017

2017-039-creating custom training for your org, and audio from SANS Berlin!


This week is a bit of a short show, as Ms. Berlin and Mr. Boettcher are out this week for the holiday.  

I wanted to talk about something that I've started doing at work... Creating training... custom training that can help your org get around the old style training.

 

Also, we got some community audio from one of our listeners! "JB" went to a SANS event in Berlin, Germany a few weeks ago, and talked to some attendees, as well as Heather Mahalick (@HeatherMahalik), instructor of the FOR585 FOR585: Advanced Smartphone Forensics"

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---Show notes (from Bryan and JB)---

 

Ms. Berlin in New Zealand

 

Mr. Boettcher with the family

 

Training

 

What makes us despise training so much?

Cookie cutter

Scenarios do not match environments

Speaking is a little too perfect

Flash based

UI is horrible

Outdated

Easy questions

 

Infosec training is worse

2 hours of training each year

Not effective

 

Why not make your own?

Been doing it at work

No more than 7 minutes

Custom made

Tailored for your own company

 

Do you training like a talk at a con

Time limit: 7 (no more than 10 minutes)

Create some slides (5-7 slides)

Do it on a timely topic

Recent tabletop exercise results

Recent incident response

Phishing campaign

Script or no-script required

Sometimes talking plainly can be enough

 

https://screencast-o-matic.com/ - Windows (free version is 7 minutes long)

Quicktime - OSX (free) (Screenflow)

Handbrake (convert to MKV or MP4)

Microphone (can use internal microphones if you have a quiet place)


[begin notes: SANS Berlin REMOTE segment]
corresp. JB

reach jb at
(@cherokeejb_) on brakesec slack, twitter, & infosec.exchange


--link to all trainers and info from archive SANS Berlin 2017 https://www.sans.org/event/berlin-2017/


--pre-NetWars chat with the SEC 503 class:
-what do you like about SANS conference
-european privacy laws, even country to country!
-biggest priority for next year:  building a SOC, working together with sales, asset management, constant improvement, password reuse

--special BrakeSec members only cameo


--“bring your own device” interview with an Information Security/forensics professional
password elimination or no reuse


--interview with Heather Mahalik (@HeatherMahalik)
Bio https://www.sans.org/instructors/heather-mahalik
-“game over” whatsapp, unpatched android, other known-historically weak tools as “assume breach of mobile”
-interesection of network forensics and mobile
-open source tools and the lack of, how to judge your tools
-Heather’s recent blog
-getting into mobile, decompiling, etc.
-number one topic for next year:  encryption for Andriod 8 Oreo, iOS 12
-“most popular android is still v4.4”

Heather’s blog we mentioned
http://smarterforensics.com

link to the book Heather mentioned:
https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Mobile-Forensics-Heather-Mahalik/dp/1786464209/


--link to blog mentioned, jb’s initial reflections on SEC 503

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/whaaaa0101-0000-0011t-aka-extracting-files-out-pcaps-foremost
JBs blog main link, or if you’re not a fan of linkedin
https://cherokeejb.blogspot.de/

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Wednesday, November 15, 2017

2017-038- Michael De Libero discusses building out your AppSec Team


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Michael De Libero spends his work hours running an application security team at a gaming development company. I (Bryan) was really impressed at the last NCC Group Quarterly meetup when he gave a talk (not recorded) about how to properly build out your Application Security Team.

So I asked him on, and we went over the highlights of his talk. Some of the topics included:

Discussing with management your manpower issues

Who to include in your team

Communication between teams

 

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----SHOW NOTES:

 

Amanda’s appearance on PSW

 

Building an AppSec Team - Michael de Libero (@noskillz)

 

https://techbeacon.com/owasp-top-ten-update-what-your-security-team-needs-know\

 

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_AppSec_Pipeline

 

https://www.veracode.com/blog/2012/02/how-to-build-an-appsec-training-program-for-development-teams-a-conversation-with-fred-pinkett

 

Need link to Michael’s slides -- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Bvl2rybuWMdOu3cs03U85zwAvrM1RNxv99Dt-YiGiys/edit?usp=sharing

 

Random Notes from Mike:

  • Hiring
  • WebApps vs More traditional apps
    • Release cycles differ
    • Tech stacks can often differ
    • Orgs are different
    • Etc…
  • Testing-focus vs. “security health”
  • Role of management
    • Managing a “remote” team
  • Handling incoming requests from other teams

 

How do you sell a company on having an appsec team if they don’t have one?

 

If you have an existing ‘security team’, how easily is it to augment that into an appsec team?

Can you do job rotation with some devs?

Do devs care enough to want to do code audits

“That’s not in my job description”

 

Skills needed in an appsec team

Does it depend on the tech used, or the tech you might use?

 

Internal security vs. consultants

 

Intro to RE course with Tyler Hudak

 

Bsides Wellington speaker Amanda Berlin


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Tuesday, November 7, 2017

2017-037 - Asset management techniques, and it's importance, DDE malware


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We started off the show talking to Mr. Boettcher about what DDE is and how malware is using this super legacy Windows component (found in Windows 2) to propogate malware in MS Office docs and spreadsheets. We also talk about how to protect your Windows users from this.

We then get into discussing why it's so important to have proper asset management in place. Without knowing what is in your environment, you could suffer gaps in coverage of your anti-virus/EDR software, unable to patch systems properly and even make it easier for lateral movement.

Finally, we discuss our recent "Introduction to Reverse Engineering" course with Tyler Hudak (@secshoggoth), and Ms. Berlin's upcoming trip to New Zealand.

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SHOW NOTES:

 

Oreilly con report

Malware report from Mr. Boettcher

DDE (Dynamic Data Exchange), all the rage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.0

https://kc.mcafee.com/resources/sites/MCAFEE/content/live/PRODUCT_DOCUMENTATION/27000/PD27325/en_US/McAfee_Labs_Threat_Advisory-W97MMacroLess.pdf

http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/computing/10-facts-about-windows-2-11364027546216

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/10/23/disable-office-ddeauto-to-mitigate-attacks/

 

Why asset management?

Know what’s in your environment

CIS Top 20...no wait, it’s the TOP THREE of the 20.

It all builds on this…

Know what’s in your environment

http://www.open-audit.org/

https://metacpan.org/pod/App::Netdisco <- NetDisco (great for network equipment)

 

Where do you store that data? Or is it just enough to know where to get it?

Systems you can pull asset data from:

Patching systems

Chef

WSUS

FIM systems

Tripwire

DLP systems

Vuln Scanners

AV/EDR management

router/switch tables

DNS

Asset management systems are a gold mine for an attacker

Names

IPs

email addresses

 

Coverage gaps in these systems will cause you to lose asset visibility

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/programmer-automates-his-job-2015-11


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